You will need a male dna profile from a decendent on harold joness family tree. If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it. I have requested information regarding the cost of the re-investigation of Muriels murder since 2008. [10], Police visited every house within 150 square miles and interviewed 20,000 men in Swansea and in neighbouring Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. Jones and his wife Muriel hid a lot of secrets from their daughter and one of these secrets may have been Jones wasnt her father. On June 27, 1946, 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea (UK). There is little doubt that Muriels murderer was lying in wait, just counting the minutes until he could commit his heinous crime. Those who have not failed may not have succeeded. request regarding the unsolved murder of 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwater near Swansea in June 1946. "That sounds pompous, but I knew that really he was a simpleton, but I didn't detect any menace in him.". Even though Jones died in 1971, his male descendants DNA could be tested to determine if he was the culprit responsible for Muriels murder. Thomas was born on July 22 1880, in South Thomaston Knox Maine. She was singing on the school bus with her friends, on the afternoon of June 27, 1946, when she was dropped on the side of the road near her family's farm on the outskirt of Swansea. Paul.. Psychic Diane Lazarus Investigates Muriel Drinkwater Murder - YouTube 0:00 / 21:56 Sign in to confirm your age This video may be inappropriate for some users. She goes to grammar school. The crime scene is a short distance from the farmhouse. Was a local stalking Muriel? (My belief now is that the suspect he referred to was Hubert Hoyles who as a 13 year-old boy had come into contact with Muriels family shortly before her murder. If you have any new information I would be extremely interested to hear it! Muriel Drinkwater was raped and shot dead as she walked home from a school bus in Penllergaer, Swansea, Serial killer Harold Jones (pictured as a 15-year-old) killed two young girls when he was just 15 and was jailed for 20 years. Only by comparing D.N.A. Muriels niece Margaret is desperate to get the books back. Another witness came forward to tell the team that Ronnie Harries had worked on a farm in Penllergaer, evidence that was supported from a newspaper cutting at the time. The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. Despite a number of leads and suspects, police have not been able to identify her killer. But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts found a semen stain found on Muriel's coat. 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The Photo Request has been fulfilled. In the programme, former Dyfed Powys chief constable Jackie Roberts travelled to met him and he told her how his grandparents (Muriel's parents) had changed after the murder. What a big moment in this case! This means that we may include adverts from us and third parties based on our knowledge of you. Do not sell or share my personal information. Read about our approach to external linking. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home, she was murdered. Evernote. The team also uncovered a book that had once belonged to Muriel but was found in a Carmarthen charity shop. [3] In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect was extracted from her clothes, possibly the oldest sample in the world to be successfully extracted in a murder investigation. "Given the sheer level of violence that he inflicted on his own relatives, I can't quite believe that this would be the first instance of his violence.". More recently, however, it was tested against the DNA of one Harold Jones, a convicted double child murderer who slayed two similarly young girls in Abertillery in the 1920s, to see if he might be the perpetrator. The team tracked down Harries' cousin Lynn Hughes who described how the only child had been "spoilt" by his parents and was very "childish". Joseph James DeAngelo, the suspected Golden State Killer, The real waking the dead: This schoolgirls savage murder has mystified police for 62 years. Is it possible that scientists could examine Muriels coat and find another profile that could be compared to Jones daughters D.N.A.? On 27th June 1946 a school girl was walking through countryside on her way home. After a previous visit to the Drinkwater family farm, Hoyles was surprised when a man in his thirties withthick fluffy hair and wearing brown corduroy trousers and a light brown sports jacket stepped from the bushes at exactly the same location where Muriel was later ambushed. As part of the investigation forensic evidence has been re-examined and officers have considered theories that convicted murderer Harold Jones was . The police have DNA but keep any results they may have a closely guarded secret. South Wales Police's Specialist Crime Review Unit has today finally ruled out Jones - who died from cancer in 1971 - from their investigation. Her murder became known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder. However, in 2008, a team of retired detectives investigating cold cases found Drinkwater's clothes in storage. Video, 00:01:00One-minute World News, WATCH: Key moments from PM's NI Brexit deal speech. And the truth will never be known. 'Due to advances in forensic technology we have been able to look again at evidence from the murder in 1946 and I am now able to rule out Harold Jones completely as a suspect in this case. She was pulled from that path into the woodland beside it, attacked and murdered amongst the undergrowth of Penllergaer Woods, near Swansea, just yards from safety. I was made aware the following day that my request would NOT be granted. Muriel was the same age as my Aunt Peggy and they went to Primary school together. profiling. Unless he bludgeoned first then he raped, this would have caught her by surprise. Click here to hear the Audio File of this case. The comments below have not been moderated. Enter your email address to receive our monthly newsletter and to be notified about new posts. On his way home, he passed Muriel as she walked along the path. Accountant Graham Wildin built an incredible 10,000sq/ft leisure complex - which has a bowling alley, casino, a cinema and more - at the back of his home. He agreed to give a DNA sample that could rule out Muriel's father from the investigation. Nevertheless, local legend tells of how, after leaving prison, he'd return to his parents' house in Abertillery from time to time, where the sound of him playing the organ in their front room would haunt the terraced streets. First, I was told that South Wales Police werent obliged to say. They had been regular churchgoers, but stopped going to church and moved away from the farm within two years of the murder. I had informed him that Harold Jones had been living incognito in various West London locations after his release from prison in 1941. Please let us know how it goes. If the perpetrator was lying in wait as I believe he was, why select that certain spot? Interesting case Christine. I contacted D.S. I was able to edit the comment for you before it went live. taken from Jones exhumed body can the police honestly say catergorically that Jones was or was not Muriels killer. In the days and weeks that followed, police officers visited every farmhouse and cottage within 150 square miles, along with interviewing 20,000 men in Swansea, Aberdare and Carmarthenshire. She was shot twice in the chest. Muriel's death was known at the time as the Little Red Riding Hood Murder because of the bright red coat she was wearing. [8][4] Policemen from Glamorgan, assisted by the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit, used a metal detector to search for a second weapon suspected to have been used, but never located it. Regards. This true crime happened in Penllegaer Woods on the outskirts of Swansea in 1946. Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA Daily Mail article, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder Sword and Scale article, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police The Sunday Times article. In 2008, a DNA profile of the suspect . with South Wales Police has recently conceded that it CANNOT be categorically stated that Harold Jones has been ruled out completely as Muriels killer. Well here is the TRUTH. The murder of Muriel Drinkwater (Welsh: Llofruddiaeth Muriel Drinkwater),[2] also known as the Little Red Riding Hood murder, is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. But they said the results now ruled out Jones as a suspect in her murder. The coat had been lying forgotten in police storage for decades but after much searching was found by retired DCI Bethell's cold case team and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of crime scene evidence in the world. Neil. Roll on another 2 months for a denied request. On June 27, 1946, twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater made her way home from school in Penllergaer, Swansea. The detectives in the programme got a breakthrough when they were able to track down Muriel's relative Martin Phillips, who had been six at the time of the murder. Sometimes the rumours and suspicion in these unsolved cases does almost as much damage to the community as the crime itself. Jones killed two young girls when he was just 15 and was jailed for 20 years. The Little Red Riding Hood murder of Muriel Drinkwater. Edith Patten had been buried in the old town cemetery and was left behind when officials relocated the graves in the 1930s. Victor said that the programme had made him suspicious as to whether Florences killer Harold Jones who had been released from a 20 year prison sentence in 1941 for the Abertillery murders was responsible for 12 year-old Muriel Drinkwaters death. Updated: August 30, 2013 . He stated he had long been suspected by some locals of being the murderer and was happy to clear his name. I could never hurt anyone or anything, but in a small, close-knit community, people talk and I knew that in the eyes of some people I was the murderer. "I was about nine at the time and he was about twice my age, but I felt, at nine, that I was his intellectual superior," he said. Fingers crossed that one day a DNA match can give us the breakthrough needed to solve this case. She was seen by her mother from a distance of 400 yards away, but before Muriel could arrive home she was murdered. I am leaning towards it being a targeted attack, in part because of the positioning of the perpetrator as you mentioned. This murder shook the village and all the boys came under suspicion. The reason given for sealing the files was that it could help the police catch the perpetrator. Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? Muriel Drinkwater - Swansea, 1946 On 27th June 1946, Margaret Drinkwater was making tea in the family farm house in Penllegaer near Swansea when she looked out of the window to see her daughter . The murder of Muriel Drinkwater is an unsolved 1946 child murder case from Wales. You are talking about 74 years ago now and nothing has been able to close the matter.". The gym is tucked away in an unsuspecting industrial estate in the Swansea Valley and is run by a world-champion strongman who wants as many people as possible to feel included in his beloved sport. Hi Nicola. Muriel Drinkwater was a young Welsh schoolgirl. "Looking through the paper work, we could see the materials had left the crime scene, where it had gone, where it had been examined. She was last seen at 2:30 p.m., singing as she headed for the one-mile walk to her family's home, Tyle-Du Farm. Colin Dark suggested the possibillity of using D.N.A to identify who took the books into the shop with the hope of identifying the killer. And we appreciate your dogged determination to get to the bottom of what happened. Trump rages at Mark Zuckerberg amid claims group linked to Facebook boss gave $2 million to Georgia elections board - and says Dems are 'trying to steal a SECOND election'. . Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret ( ne Morgans) Drinkwater. Neil. I appealed that decision and was then informed that as the information I requested was kept in paper format in various locations in South Wales then it would be too costly and time-consuming to check out so the request was denied. It doesnt take much working out who the unnamed source with South Wales Police was! It was supposed to have been abandoned in 1944 but I know there were GIs who married Swansea girls still around in 1946. Born in the summer of 1933, she was the youngest of four children and lived with her parents Percy and Margaret on a small farm called Tyle-Du, near "The results of the forensic examination categorically confirm that Harold Jones was not responsible for the murder of Muriel Drinkwater," says DCI Mark Lewis, head of the unit. South Wales Police detectives requested the original case file from Kent Police to determine if there was a connection. I wonder if there was a sketch done when Hoyles confronted a man weeks earlier. He clearly wasn't very bright, and there's evidence that you see of overkill with Muriel Drinkwater's case as well.". The 73-year-old stain was discovered during a cold case review in 2003 and is thought to be one of the oldest pieces of evidence in the world. The police think that Hoyles, who as mentioned above passed Muriel on her way home, encountered Muriels killer weeks before her death. [4] In 2019, the DNA was used to rule out notorious Welsh murderer Harold Jones as a suspect. Paul says: "Muriel had almost made it to the home. Police are closer than ever to finding her killer, "Secrecy over 1940 murder as DNA offers new leads", "The unsolved murder of a 12-year-old brutally abused and killed", "Serial Slaying of Pretty Women Has New Scotland Yard Confused", "Detectives link Muriel Drinkwater and Sheila Martin murders", "The chilling tale of a man who bludgeoned his relatives to death with a hammer and paid the ultimate price", "The unsolved murder of 12-year-old Muriel Drinkwater and the new suspect identified", "Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder_of_Muriel_Drinkwater&oldid=1138738141, This page was last edited on 11 February 2023, at 09:11. "If information comes in from the public or other forces we act on it.". People had forgotten it was there. Request number 772/21. But in 2003, when the case was reopened for review, forensics experts had a major breakthrough when they found a semen stain on Muriel's coat. Forensic historian Nell Darby found similarities in the case of Muriel Drinkwater and the later Ronnie Harries farmhouse murders in old newspaper articles from the time. He described the search for the clothes that had been taken from the crime scene. [5], Muriel Joan Drinkwater was the youngest of four daughters born to John Percival and Margaret (ne Morgans) Drinkwater. Although he was first registered at Widdows Fulham address at Hestercombe Avenue in 1947 as Harold Jones, the following years and up until 1962 he was registered as Harry Stevens. Muriel Drinkwater was laying on her back, one arm outstretched by her side and the other slightly raised. I personally think whoever did it was a true psychopath and he would probably of done something like it before and has done other crimes since. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. That DNA was initially used to rule from suspicion someone who had been spotted close to the woods on the afternoon Muriel was attacked. Just put my name in Facebook bar. Drinkwater, a 12-year-old schoolgirl, was raped and shot in the woods in Penllergaer, Swansea. But Muriel, who was known locally as 'The Little Nightingale' because of her beautiful singing voice, never made it home. Yet, despite their exhaustive enquiries - not to mention the discovery of the gun used in Muriel's shooting - the culprit managed to evade justice. During the course of the investigation the finger of blame had sometimes been pointed at Muriel's father, John. Mark Lewis by email of this fact but my email was ignored. Just a few weeks short of her 13th birthday, Muriel had been beaten on the crown of her head with an object, raped and then shot twice in the . Video, 00:02:36Who killed 'Little Red Riding Hood'? I suggest reaching out to a DNA expert and seeing what insight they might be able to provide. Murder. to have gone on to kill six women in London in the 1960s - and was dubbed Jack The Stripper. Jones was ruled out at the beginning of May, 2019. Twelve-year-old Muriel Drinkwater was singing as she walked along the mile-long path to her home after getting off a school bus. Also, it was near a Japanese plantation and the workers may have possibly assaulted her and the cigarette butts, bread and sweet wrappers may have come from the plantation. ', Glamorgan Police and men of the 169th Bomb Disposal Unit make a break for a meal during their search for evidence after her murder on June 27, 1946, Jones, originally of Abertillery, South Wales, is a suspect in the killings of six women in London in the 1960s. First he lived in Fulham with a former London Metropolitan Police officer John Widdows and his daughter Muriel whom he married in 1948. Given that Hoyles was the last person to see Muriel alive, he quickly fell under a thick veil of suspicion. Some companies will provide you with upto 6 generations. Your email address will not be published. All the best with pursuing answers in this case, and please keep us updated. Now cutting-edge forensics to rival any TV thriller have identified her killers DNA, Unsolved: The Little Red Riding Hood murder, Muriel Drinkwater murder file is declared secret at request of police, The Disappearance of Audrey Moran and Jonathan Reynoso. However, the BBC documentary Darklands shown in November 2020 identified Ronald Harries who murdered his aunt and uncle as Muriels killer, and a cousin of Harries was shown in the documentary and was expected to give DNA to prove or disprove the theory.. [8] Scientists successfully retrieved a DNA profile from this stain. Learn more about managing a memorial . So with that revelation the re-opened inquiry could have cost 15 million or more as did the Gwent Police inquiry into the disgraced former Abertillery care home owner Dr Dana Pras. 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